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Reading TOO MUCH Into Something Keller Stated - Jamin Huber

2011-08-13T10:25:00.000-07:00

This is a work in progress. I give Jamin Huber credit for at least reading "The Reason For God" as Stephen Macasil didn't even bother to read the book but based all of this critiques of the book on book reviews (second hand sources). None of the rest, the main charge filed against Stephen Macasil by several blogs was that Stephen Macasil read too much into statements made in book reviews and saw controversy that really didn't exist. Jamin Huber appears to be another Stephen Macasil? However, at least Jamin Huber read the book and didn't base his blog posting questioning the book on book reviews.

Yes, Jamin Huber this is very old news which has already been blogged about and found to be nothing all that controversial.

Main issue on blogs is that Tim Keller doesn't believe in a literal 6 days of creation of 24 hour duration each. Since the year of our Lord 1980 this is not a popular position to take thanks to the many para-church creation ministries. John Frame addressed that matter with other controversial issues in the Reformed Faith Community in his article "Machen's Warrior Children".

12. The Days of Creation
            As in the broader evangelical world, the interpretation of Genesis 1 has been controversial in Reformed circles. Nevertheless, there has been relative peace and tolerance over this issue until recently. A number of Old Princeton professors, including Charles and A. A. Hodge, B. B. Warfield, J. Gresham Machen, and Oswald T. Allis, held that the days of creation were not literally twenty-four hours long. Edward J. Young, who taught Old Testament at Westminster for many years, held that the days referred to long ages of time. [40] In 1957, Meredith G. Kline published an article, “Because it Had Not Rained,” [41] arguing not only that the days were non-literal, but that the narrative does not even teach a temporal sequence of events. Following N. H. Ridderbos, [42] Kline argued that the list of days is a literary framework that has no implications for the length of time or the sequence of events. So in the Reformed community, some have held to literal days, others to age-long days, and others to symbolic days. These positions coexisted fairly comfortably in Reformed churches until around 1980.
            But since then many have taken up the cause of twenty-four-hour-day creation, [43] and their disciples have followed the twentieth-century Reformed pattern of being militant about their views. Many Christian Reconstructionists have embraced a literal position, joined by many strict subscriptionists (see later discussion) who base their argument on what the writers of the Westminster Confession are likely to have believed. Some presbyteries in the OPC and the RCUS have denied ordination to candidates who reject the literal view of Genesis 1.
            Should one’s view of the length of the creation days be a test of orthodoxy? I think not. The exegetical questions are difficult, and I don’t believe that any other doctrinal questions hinge on them. A non-literal interpretation does not entail, for example, that Adam was anything but a real person, or that human beings evolved from animals.

In a Google+ discussion with Jamin Huber and other AOMIN.ORG channel rats of the radical Watchblogger kind which included rather in your face comments to me by RazorsKiss. One reason I don't hang out with James White is the radical Watchblogger types that hang out with James White. I am anti-Watchblogger so I don't hang out with Watchbloggers. I stay out of the AOMIN.ORG discussion channel as there is too many Watchblogger types that hang out there, but not all fans of James White are Watchbloggers. Stephen Macasil , Daniel Chew, and TartanArmy are fans of James White and as some who know me know; I am a critic of all three as they are Watchbloggers. TartanArmy and I have not spoken for years due to disagreements on various discussion threads on issues that he had become rather Calvinist Pharisee about.

I often state that I love James White but his channel rats I cannot stand being anywhere near accept for a quick escape in running as fast as possible to put as much distance from them and me as possible before they have time to label me as being some sort of heretic that needs to repent or burn for eternity.

Since the all knowing genius RazorsKill (aka RazorsKiss but I desire to call him RazorsKill) doesn't believe anything that John Frame writes; I post a link to an article on the WTS website here. Thanks to the discussion on Google+, I have yet another AOMIN.ORG channel rat that I have added to my list that I don't like for their Watchblogger behavior. Someday I may post a complete listing of the AOMIN.ORG channel rats that I desire to stay as far away from as possible.

I will be posting more on this matter later, but this is all I have to post at this time.

Jamin Huber's complete blog posting on AOMIN.ORG blog:

The Borderline Compatibility of Keller and Westminster Seminary

08/05/2011 - Jamin Hubner

Probably old news for some, but something hit me in reading Keller's (generally good) book The Reason for God that some might find interesting.

Tim Keller is on the part-time faculty list for Westminster Theological Seminary (PA):

Timothy J. Keller

Adjunct Professor of Practical Theology

B.A., Bucknell University, 1972; M.Div., Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, 1975; D.Min., Westminster Theological Seminary, 1981; Pastoral ministry, Virginia, 1975–1984; Senior Pastor, Redeemer Presbyterian Church, New York City, 1989– ; Westminster, 1984– .
Contributor: Theonomy: A Reformed Critique.

In 2008, Westminster released the document "Affirmations and Denials of Recent Issues" which contained the following:
We affirm that Adam and Eve were real flesh-and-blood individual human beings and that their fall into sin was subsequent to their creation as the first human beings. (WCF 6.1; 7.2; WLC 17.)

We deny that the narrative in Genesis 3 is merely symbolic for what is true of mankind in general.

We affirm that God's acts of creation, as listed in each of the six days of Genesis 1, really happened in space and time. (WCF 4.1; WLC 15.)

We deny that Genesis 1 merely teaches that God made everything.

In 2008, Tim Keller said on page 97-98 of The Reason for God (softcover Riverhead edition):
I personally take the view that Genesis 1 and 2 relate to each other the way Judges 4 and 5 and Exodus 14 and 15. In each couple one chapter describes a historical event and the other is a song or poem about the theological meaning of the event. When reading Judges 4 it is obvious that it is a sober recounting of what happened in the battle, the language is poetic and metaphorical. When Deborah sins that the stars in the heavens came down to fight for the Israelites, we understand that she means that metaphorically. I think Genesis 1 has the earmarks of poetry and is therefore a "song" about the wonder and meaning of God's creation. Genesis 2 is an account of how it happened...For the record I think God guided some kind of process of natural selection, and yet I reject the concept of evolution as All-encompassing Theory.

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Posted on Google+ and re-posted here:

In response to AOMIN Channel Rats after a review of blog postings on this matter and their claims during the discussion on Google+ with me. - RZH

In 2008, Westminster released the document "Affirmations and Denials of Recent Issues" which contained the following:

Ironically, it appears to be a response to the issue that WTS has never and continues to not confirm that the six creation days of Genesis 1 were 24 hours in duration each. - RZH

We affirm that Adam and Eve were real flesh-and-blood individual human beings and that their fall into sin was subsequent to their creation as the first human beings. (WCF 6.1; 7.2; WLC 17.)

Adam and Eve are named in Genesis 2 whereas in Genesis 1 it only states that God created male and female. Keller stated that only Genesis 1 was a song or poem whereas Genesis 2 was historical. It is assumed that Keller confirms that Adam was male and Eve was female; but I suppose it could be claimed that Keller may question the genders of Adam and Eve since this was not made clear in "The Reason For God" book. - RZH

We deny that the narrative in Genesis 3 is merely symbolic for what is true of mankind in general.

Tim Keller didn't say anything about Genesis 3 in "The Reason for God" book in the particular chapter quoted. However, he stated that only Genesis 1 was a song or poem which appears to imply strongly that the remainder of Genesis was historical. Therefore, there is no evidence in "The Reason For God" book that Keller considered that Genesis 3 was merely symbolic. - RZH

We affirm that God's acts of creation, as listed in each of the six days of Genesis 1, really happened in space and time. (WCF 4.1; WLC 15.)

Keller confirms in that he stated that Genesis 2 is historical and Genesis 1 which is a poem is to be understood in terms of Genesis 2 which is historical. If the six days of Genesis 1 were 24 hours in duration he does not confirm but WTS believes WCF doesn't make it a requirement to believe in days of creation that are 24 hours long. - RZH

We deny that Genesis 1 merely teaches that God made everything.

Keller to the best of my understanding appears to have no issue with the statement in "The Reason For God" book. It is not clear to me what this statement is designed to deny unless it is evolution but it doesn't appear to deny evolution. I continue to research and think about this one. - RZH

In 2008, Tim Keller said on page 97-98 of The Reason for God (softcover Riverhead edition):
I personally take the view that Genesis 1 and 2 relate to each other the way Judges 4 and 5 and Exodus 14 and 15. In each couple one chapter describes a >historical event< and the other is a >song or poem< about the theological meaning of the event. When reading Judges 4 it is obvious that it is a sober recounting of what happened in the battle, the language is poetic and metaphorical. When Deborah sins that the stars in the heavens came down to fight for the Israelites, we understand that she means that metaphorically. I think Genesis 1 has the earmarks of poetry and is therefore a "song" about the wonder and meaning of God's creation. Genesis 2 is an account of how it happened...For the record I think God guided some kind of process of natural selection, and yet I reject the concept of evolution as All-encompassing Theory.

So far blog articles against Tim Keller that attempt to prove that Genesis 1 is not a poem or song only end up verifying that Keller is right. The arguments that Genesis 1 should be taken literally get rather silly. I continue to study this matter but it appears that Keller has a valid point about Genesis 1. - RZH

Robbed Hell - Satire of Rob Bell Love Wins

2011-04-03T20:00:00.001-07:00

Robbed Hell - C.A.S.T. Pearls Presents from Canon Wired on Vimeo.

Problem of the Broken Link to Jason Stellman's Blog From Daniel Chew's (Puritan Reformed) Blog

2011-04-03T01:03:00.000-07:00

I know nothing about Peter Leithart. He may or may not be a defender of the Federal Vision. Two blogs (Puritan Reformed and God's Hammer) have made an appeal for sending money to Jason Stellman to pay for travel expenses for witnesses to appear at the PCA trial of Peter Leithart. A weblink is made to Jason Stellman's blog titled Code Creed Cult which is a broken link for both blogs. One look at Jason Stellman's blog and one wonders what sort of PCA pastor he claims to be?

Perhaps I should be careful of saying too much because Mars Hill in Seattle WA has asked Jason Stellman to do a joint project with them. This is interesting since this is Mark Driscoll's church and Mark Driscoll is a Baptist connected to PCA's missional Tim Keller and Desiring God's John Piper. Daniel Chew of Puritian Reformed blog is anti-Tim Keller because he is anti-missional and Mars Hill Church is not only missional but emergent. You have an anti-Federal Visionist, anti-Missional, anti-Keller, anti-Emergent Daniel Chew asking for money be sent to a missional PCA pastor with connections to Mars Hill Church (Mark Driscoll) emergents to fight the Federal Vision heresy.

Confused .... well such is the state of modern day Christendom in the USA. If God wasn't in control; I would be worried. Below is a complete copy of the blog posting on the Puritan Reformed blog. Strange, I believed that Puritans were Reformed so is a Puritan Reformed more reformed than a Puritan? Perhaps a Puritian Reformed is more reformed than a Reformed Baptist? One can never be too Reformed if you are as radical of a Calvinist as Daniel Chew tends to be.

PCA pastor Jason Stellman raising funds for trial of FV pastor Peter Leithart

PCA pastor Jason Stellman is in the process of raising funds for the prosecution of Federal Visionist Peter Leithart, with the intent to purge at least some of the Federal Vision from the PCA. If anyone desires to contribute to this fund, please make checks payable to:
Exile Presbyterian Church
PMB 132
14241 Woodinville-Duvall Rd.
Woodinville, WA, 98072
Attn: Prosecution Fund
[HT: God's Hammer]

Chris Rosebrough's Controversial Facebook Gallery Photos

2011-04-02T13:06:00.000-07:00

Some of the controversial photos of BridgerGate inside Chris Rosebrough's Facebook Photo Gallery.

Chris Rosebrough aka Pirate Christian

2011-04-02T10:18:00.000-07:00

Chris Rosebrough on right with Emergent Church Pastors

This is a work in progress which will be updated as I continue my research on Chris Rosebrough.

His many blogs and websites include: Extreme Theology, Fighting for the Faith, Christian Pirate Radio, Museum of Idolatry, Facebook - Pirate Christian, Twitter @PirateChristian. and Letter of Marque.

He is referred to as a friend of Ken Silva. Chris was a contributor to CRN (Christian Research Network) until the recent BridgerGate controversy developed. There has been controversy for sometime over his photos with various emerging church leaders.

I am still researching and attempting to figure out the Chris Rosebrough conflict concerning if Rick Warren teaches salvation by works reported on this website.

He can be safety called a "Watchblogger" specializing on the Emergent or Emerging Church, and the Purpose Driven Church movement of Rick Warren.

Chris is a Lutheran but likes Michael Horton who is a confused Calvinist per Lutheran standards. Lutherans typically refer to Calvinist as radical reformers with the view that Lutherans are the more conservative reformers of the Reformation. Calvinist tend to view Lutherans as insufficiently reformed from the Roman Catholic faith.

Chris Rosebrough holds a degree in Religious Studies and Biblical Languages from Concordia University in Irvine, California and a Masters Degree in Business Administration from Pepperdine University. Pepperdine University historically has a connection with the American Restoration (Stone-Campbell) Movement and its business courses are highly regarded. He has been a long contributor to Worldview Times.

For awhile when he lived in California, Chris taught at Capo Valley Church in San Juan Capistrano, California. Chris moved to Indiana after his company went into bankruptcy.

Chris Rosebrough worked for National Medical Registry Inc, located at 216 West Perkins Street in Ukiah, CA 95482-4800 for awhile before leaving to create his own company. National Medical Registry Inc. company website is located here. Chris Rosebrough became CEO of Vendtegrity, a software company that sells to hospitals.

Vendtegrity, LLC is located at 10 Calle Prospero San Clemente, CA 92673. The officers include Chris Rosebrough, Phil Hodge. Vendtegrity, LLC was incorporated on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 in the State of CA and is currently bankrupt. (Agent Resigned 02-04-2009) represents Vendtegrity, LLC as their registered agent. Vendtegrity is bankrupt and no longer exists. For awhile Chris Rosebrough's Pirate Christian websites shared webspace storage with websites connected to the bankrupt Vendtegrity, LLC. The Vendtegrity, LLC website information now appears to be almost totally removed from the internet.

VMS in Healthcare

Slow to catch on, but interest rising

Management of supplemental staff via automated procurement software - a vendor management system - is a trend emerging in the healthcare industry. Despite healthcare being more reluctant than some industries to jump into e-procurement, staffing companies and software sellers agree that more of the dollars spent on contingent labor used in hospitals and other facilities is likely to flow through a VMS.

"Vendor management continues to be an important trend within our acute care customer base," Cross Country Healthcare Inc. CEO Joseph Boshart told Staffing Industry Healthcare News earlier this year.

Added Leanne Oatman, VP of sales and customer services at Comforce Inc.: "The interest is greater than we've ever seen, especially as hospitals try to decrease the amount of staffing utilization."

To date, the VMS market in U.S. healthcare staffing is about $100 million, if calculated at about 1% of the total revenue in the sector ($10.5 billion), which several sources said would be a good estimate. The penetration rate is below 2%: Sources said only 500 to 1,000 U.S. hospitals have a VMS installed; that's out of about 5,800 hospitals total, not including other facilities such as surgery centers. And Staffing Industry Analysts research shows that only about 12% of healthcare industry customers that buy supplemental staffing services plan to buy a VMS in the next two years.
Slow start

Unlike other industries that use contingent workers, healthcare has been slow to implement e-procurement. "They're not as friendly toward technology," said Jason Lander, founder of ShiftWise, a VMS sold directly to hospitals. ShiftWise is used in almost 300 facilities and recently licensed its product for Cross Country to sell.

Many hospitals don't understand how getting a staffing company involved in managing temporary workers will help save dollars, when what they really want to do is eliminate agency nurses altogether, said Bob Livonius, CEO of Nursefinders Inc., a staffing company that sells a VMS. "The whole idea of letting the fox in the henhouse is a difficult sell. Most hospitals are looking to reduce temporary labor, and the client doesn't view spending money [on a VMS] as doing that."

Ed Scott, VP and general manager of the per diem division at InteliStaf Inc., added that education is key. "Many hospitals are not that well-versed in what these offerings bring to them," he said. InteliStaf also sells staffing management products.
Significant savings

But optimism reigns among sellers of VMS who see rapid growth. One is Chris Rosebrough, CEO of Vendtegrity, a software company that sells to hospitals. He predicts that 30% of the healthcare supplemental staffing market will be managed by VMS by 2010.

Livonius concurs: "It wouldn't be unrealistic, and it could be even earlier than that," he said. Of Nursefinders' $350 million in sales, about $90 million comes from VMS or related workforce solutions business, Livonius said. Rosebrough said Vendtegrity's hospital installations, which manage about $16 million in contingent spending, should double this year to six. "More and more hospitals I talk to are interested in VMS," Rosebrough said.

VMS proponents say the value proposition for hospitals can't be ignored. For one small hospital, Vendtegrity saved $500 million in temporary labor spending in 12 months, Rosebrough said. At Hoag Memorial Hospital Presbyterian in Newport Beach CA, Comforce's VMS reduced agency spending more than 70%, Oatman said.

Not all savings will be as dramatic, depending on the size of the hospital and how many temporary workers it uses. Chris Moseley, VP of labor services for Broadlane, a technology company that sells a VMS, said that in most cases savings may range from 6% to as high as 18% a year. Broadlane products are used in 180 acute care facilities.

Ingrid Schlueter

2011-04-02T08:57:00.000-07:00

This posting is a work in progress as it will be updated as I obtain more information.

Ingrid Schlueter has been producer and co-host of the Crosstalk Radio Talk Show on the VCY America Radio Network. She is author of numerous articles on current issues and is a regular columnist for Wisconsin Christian News.

Ingrid has had many blogs starting it appears with the Blogger blog titled Slice of Laodicea which still exists but it was replaced with a Wordpress blog located at http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com which no longer exists. Her most recent blog named CrossTalk has been recently deleted for reasons connected to the current "Bridger" controversy. A new CrossTalk blog is in the process of being developed.

Ingrid's father (Victor "Vic" Carl Eliason) is the head of VCY America.

Chris Rosebrough of "Extreme Theology" blog reports on the closing of "Slice of Laodicea" blog at this location.

Dr. Ergun Caner (satire)

2010-06-09T07:04:00.001-07:00

Where is the Church in the Ergun Caner Scandal?

2010-06-09T06:27:00.000-07:00

Stephen Macasil is Page Admin of "John Calvin Facebook"

2010-03-24T06:22:00.000-07:00

I noted today that the "Page Admin" of "John Calvin Facebook" is Stephen Macasil. Since I was banned from being a fan of "John Calvin Facebook"; why does this fact not surprise me? Just like Stephen Macasil is no "Van Til", "Gordon Clark", or "Francis Schaeffer"; he is no "John Calvin" ... but I am sure he wishes he was as he appears to have way too much self esteem. At times I am not sure there is enough room in the universe for both God and Stephen Macasil's ego .... and I believe I have the right to wonder about this matter.

As far as Robert Morey's ego it appears to be too large to fit into Heaven which could be an issue concerning his eternal state in my opinion. ;-) [This is satire ... something that both Stephen Macasil and Robert Morey loves as long as no one does satire of them.]

17601 Fitch Avenue in Irvine, California Today

2010-03-13T09:44:00.000-08:00

No longer the location of "California Biblical University and Seminary", "Faith Community Church of Orange County. Inc.", "Faith Defenders Church, Inc.", "Faith Defenders" website, "Research and Education Foundation", or "Faith Defenders Ministries, LP"; but a new "Marriott SpringHill Suites" for the "John Wayne International Airport".

The building built to be the "Embassy Christian Center" of "Roberts Liardon Ministries, Inc." and later purchased to be the headquarters of the legion of Nevada & California Corporate & LLC companies of the Robert Morey Empire is gone thanks to "OTO Development, LLC".

Thanks goes to "OTO Development, LLC" for getting rid of a church building strongly connected to ministries that worshiped the US Dollar more than God.

As for Robert Morey who left California with the money obtained from the sale of the building previously known as Roberts Liardon's "Embassy Christian Center" to "OTO Development, LLC"; enjoy life this side of Heaven as the place you spend eternity may not be as pleasant as this world.

If staying in the Irvine, California area; stay at 17601 Fitch Avenue at the new "Marriott SpringHill Suites" as it is a very historical address connected to many Christian ministry scandals involving both "Roberts Liardon Ministries, Inc." and the legion of Nevada and California corporations connected to Robert Morey. Remember, this new hotel is not far from "Disneyland" and "Knots Berry Farm" plus the "Crystal Cathedral".

California Biblical University and Seminary - Robert Morey

2010-03-11T07:28:00.000-08:00

On October 14, 2009 a business owner named "Community Church of Orange County" filed a FBN (Fictitious Business Name) of "California Biblical University and Seminary" with the Orange County Clerk / Recorder office in Santa Ana, California. Registration Number is 20098209061.

Previous to October 14, 2009; the business owner named "Faith Defenders Church, Inc." had the FBN of "California Biblical University and Seminary" per a document recorded in Santa Ana with the registration number of 20046011392. This legal FBN statement was filed on 12/22/2004.

Per the California Secretary of State office the California corporation of "Faith Defenders Church, Inc." has been dissolved.

The Protestant Pope Speaks

2009-11-21T17:21:00.000-08:00

Another watchmen blogger watching Daniel Chew is "The Protestant Pope" ... his website can be viewed here.

AntiThesis - Watchman of Daniel Chew

2009-11-21T17:14:00.000-08:00

Antithesis

About me

I am the antithesis. Just as "Watchmen" are self-appointed, I have appointed myself to watch these "watchmen." These watchmen have worn thin my patience; they are known to call down fire and brimstone upon fellow Christians, pastors, elders, Christian organizations, and churches. They anathematize fellow Christians just as if they were "little gods." It is time to expose these brats for who they truly are - vermin in blogosphere.

In Response to the Silly Argument if You Had Any Spiritual Discernment You Wouldn't Listen to Mark Driscoll Sermons or Read His Books

2009-11-07T05:47:00.000-08:00

This was originally posted on "True Faith Defender" related to a Anti-Mark Driscoll Comment Troll. It was off topic for that blog since Mark Driscoll has no connection to Robert Morey other than a subscription to Robert Morey's Faith Defender Twitter feed. [UPDATE: Robert Morey abandoned his Twitter Feed @FaithDefenders and I picked it up as a spiritual warfare war prize. Recently Robert Morey has started tweeting again as @TweetWithFD.] It is posted here as it was removed from "True Faith Defender". I pray daily that Mark Driscoll will repent and remove himself from Robert Morey's Faith Defender Twitter feed but Robert Morey hasn't tweeted anything since June 2009 to date so maybe God has answered my prayer?

I really am having a hard time understanding why Mark Driscoll is so much hated by some so-called Christians!!!!

I can understand why Robert Morey is so much hated by some.

The evidence against Mark Driscoll too much of the time is poor and presented by someone who lacks any love or grace. There are persons who desire to push Mark Driscoll into a incoming BART Train so they can enjoy seeing him killed. It is like Mark Driscoll is the son of Satan and beyond any hope of redemption so he has to be totally destroyed and those that like Mark Driscoll have to be hunted down and exposed as false Christians. It is like Mark Driscoll is a cancer in the Body of Christ and he has to be removed at all costs as the ends justifies the means. It is like there are persons who expect to enjoy Heaven for eternity while watching Mark Driscoll and his fans burning for eternity in Hell.

This radical hate of an individual who doesn’t appear to deserve this treatment has to stop. Such hate of a person makes Christianity appear to be the religion of hate making Islam look like it really may be an religion of peace after all.

I have come up with a few ideas as to why Mark Driscoll may be hated by some; and it appears to me that a lot of persons need to get a life and stop making it their life goal to destroy Mark Driscoll’s ministry. God appears to like Mark Driscoll and there are warnings in the Bible about attacking persons who are part of the body of Christ. I am not convinced like some persons are that Mark Driscoll is the son of Satan and beyond God’s grace.

What is amazing is those that desire to destroy Mark Driscoll’s ministry typically find it strange that anyone would want to expose the many extremely well documented flaws of Robert Morey since it is politically incorrect to say that Robert Morey is guilty of any sins. I am amazed by double standards that it is OK for Robert Morey to steal money from Larry Wessels and then slander Larry Wessels to cover up the truth; but somehow it is not OK for Mark Driscoll to be a pastor of any church for reasons that appear to be ??? Sorry the case against Mark Driscoll has always appeared to me to be personal opinion with no good Biblical support. The Bible can be used to prove beyond question that Robert Morey should not be allowed to be an elder of any Christian church but I have yet to see any strong evidence that Mark Driscoll shouldn’t be an elder of a Christian church.

The typical thing tossed into my face is if I had any spiritual discernment you would know that Mark Driscoll is anti-Christ, too immature, or something else to be a teaching elder of any real Christian church!!!! Too often my spiritual discernment is that the person attacking Mark Driscoll may not be a Christian; therefore I shouldn’t listen to gossip this person has to say about Mark Driscoll.

I am tired of the argument if you had any discernment because if I really had no discernment then logically that means I am not born again of God therefore I should be treated as a person outside of the Body of Christ. However, the person acts as if I am born again of God therefore I should know by spiritual discernment that Mark Driscoll is a heretic or unfit for teaching eldership by immaturity or some other reason. It is the person attacking both Mark Driscoll and myself that has a problem in logic as the person is basically using the it should be self evident argument that Mark Driscoll is so guilty that I should know he is a heretic or too immature to be a teaching elder with no evidence having to be presented.

In the USA a person is not guilty unless proven guilty and the Bible appears to support the concept that a person should be considered a Christian unless his fruit proves the person not to be a Christian. In the case of Mark Driscoll I admit that he is flawed, he appears to be growing spiritually, he has repented of past sins which is more than Robert Morey has ever done, and he doesn’t preach Christ-less Christianity. The Bible doesn’t make it a requirement for a elder to walk on water and I am not aware of any evidence that Mark Driscoll is so flawed that he cannot be an elder in a Christian church.

Naturally I expect the anti-Mark Driscoll gang to condemn me to eternal Hell fire for this posting but what else is new??? I am sick of persons whose life mission is to destroy Mark Driscoll’s ministry in the Name of GOD!!!! As if there is any evidence that GOD has given them the authority to destroy Mark Driscoll’s ministry by gossip and silly arguments like if you had any spiritual discernment you would know that Mark Driscoll shouldn’t be a pastor of any Christian church.

Surph's Side

2009-11-05T06:31:00.000-08:00

A tweeter feed has been setup for commenting on the Watchblog named "Surph's Side".

https://twitter.com/surphssidewatch

Fahim Qaiser Wants a Translator Job

2009-11-03T06:07:00.001-08:00

There is only two "Blog Catalog" reviews on the "Biblical Thought" blog.

The other review I believed was a false review written by a Morey-ite. I checked and found out that the person who wrote the 5 star review of "Biblical Thought" posts the same message on lots of blogs including Eastern Orthodox blogs (maybe even Roman Catholic and Mormon too) because he is seeking a translation job. So any version of Christianity is sound to Fahim Qaiser and worth translating into the languages of Pakistan because he wants a translation job. Beyond question because the god of Morey-ism is the US Dollar; Fahim Qaiser is a true Morey-ite. Robert Morey and Stephen Macasil you need to hire this Morey-ite for translating the "Biblical Thought" blog into the languages of Pakistan before the Eastern Orthodox Church hires him and converts all of Pakistan into another Eastern Orthodox country. The future of Christianity in Pakistan depends on you hiring him before the Eastern Orthodox Church hires him.

Simply do a Google search on the name "Fahim Qaiser" and note how many blogs this job seeker has posted a similar translation job offer upon.

Dear Sir,

I am Fahim Qaiser from Pakistan . I have studied your web site, and I found it the most wonderful site to get right to the True Word of God. My suggestion for you is to create your material in my language of Urdu and Punjabi also. It will bring lots of blessings of the Word of God for the Pakistani and Indian Urdu and Punjabi speaking people. For that purpose I as a translator will bring your material into Urdu languages and into Punjabi language as well.

Although it will take your low expenses as well, as fund for the Word of God to reach out to the deserving people. I my self, work on a local radio station also. Many times it becomes difficult for us to keep doing this because of being minorities and because of the lack of the financial resources. I will wait for your response.

Sincerely,

Fahim Qaiser ( Pakistan ).

Twitter Feeds in the WatchBlog^2 True Truth Spiritual Discernment War

2009-11-02T18:01:00.000-08:00

The Twitter feed for watching Daniel Chew:

http://twitter.com/WatcherofDChew

The Twitter feed for watching Biblical Thought (Stephen Macasil):

http://twitter.com/WatchblogOfBT

The Twitter feed for watching CRN:

http://twitter.com/WatchblogOfCRN

Today is Reformation Day

2009-10-31T11:53:00.001-07:00

Why Another Blog?

2009-10-21T05:27:00.000-07:00

This blog is the result of an attack on my Wordpress blog titled "True Faith Defender" where I dared to post my viewpoint that Mark Driscoll was not being treated fairly by some Watchblogs. Since I desire that the mission of the "True Faith Defender" blog not get off topic, I decided that a new blog needed to be created.

Yesterday I took a break and reviewed in my mind:

The events that caused the conflict at the "True Faith Defender" blog.
My position on the Mark Driscoll matter for which I was attacked.
The way that I attempted to handle the disagreement at the "True Faith Defender" blog.
How I can improve my handling of future disagreements since Blogging Popes of Watchblogs do not like getting their viewpoints questioned.
How can I create a defense for the new Blog that minimumizes Troll like attacks and Blog Wars with the Blogging Popes of Watchblogs.
What topics should the new blog address?

There was a need for me to make my case that some Watchblogs have become too critical in their Blogging Pope attacks on Christians with which they disagree more clear. I had to make my case with evidence being posted rather than knowing in my mind examples of where this exists on various Watchblogs.

What to title the blog? My experience with my most successful blog is that the name of the blog is very important. One has to title the blog with the name that clearly implies as best as possible the mission of the blog. Perhaps mathematics was too much on my mind as I was pondering the title for the new blog on a university campus, but the title that came to mind was (WatchBlog)Squared. Since the mission of the new blog was to be a watchblog of watchblogs, the title (WatchBlog) Squared seemed perfect. I didn't desire that the new blog simply address the issue of the unfair treatment of Mark Driscoll by some Watchblogs. Tim Keller has been unfairly treated by some watchblogs too. Odds were high that in giving examples of the unfair treatment of Tim Keller and Mark Driscoll by some watchblogs I would find other topics for the new blog.

Due to the limitations of Wordpress, the pilot blog appeared best to be created on Blogger. If the new Blogger pilot blog was successful, a mirror blog would be created on Wordpress.